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dave.m
26-06-2008, 17:36
Any Editorial staff answer this?
I went to CA Downloads and searched for Foxit Reader which came up with 48 options in the downloads tab and it was listed at No. 1.
I clicked on it and went to the Foxit download:
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2146435/foxit-pdf-reader
At the top of the page is the string:
Computeractive > Download Reviews > Desktop Tools.

Just to try something I then went to CA Downloads Home page and chased down through the Desktop Tab. In five pages I could not find a mention nor a download for Foxit Reader.
Am I missing something?

Is it any wonder that when trying to help someone and post a link to a download, it is easier to give them a link to MajorGeeks or FileHippo? Yet we get pulled over the coals for it and posts are edited.

Sort out the Download by grouping and indexing , then we will use the links to offer advice.

dave

chriswiles
26-06-2008, 19:58
Dave, remember there's a difference between vnunet.com/downloads and computeractive.co.uk/downloads (vnunet.com is based on an updated platform, with a better search facility). CA's will be improved with the re-design.

Also, if you know what you want, as you've found, it's dead easy to find. As you said, it is the first option in your search results. Why do people need to search through 'Desktop Tools' to find the tool they want? They simply search. No-one goes to download.com and searches through the categories - there are far too many products in each. A quick search does the trick.

There is no excuse for listing a Majorgeeks or FileHippo or any other link, simply as you claim it's 'hard' to find. No way. Not at all.

If you want to give someone a link to Foxit PDF Reader, it would take you <2 minutes. I bet it would take as long to go to FileHippo and find the correct link.

Chris/vnunet.com

rogerman40
27-06-2008, 08:30
>
> If you want to give someone a link to Foxit PDF
> Reader, it would take you <2 minutes. I bet it would
> take as long to go to FileHippo and find the correct
> link.
>
> Chris/vnunet.com

Chris,

That`s a load of tosh! If you go to the filehippo site there is no searching whatsoever. It is on the site page which loads, under Office and News, bottom left.

However, I do agree that vnunet downloads are good as they do have a date against Latest Downloads and I have found they identify some new updates to programmes before filehippo does.
I`m trying to use it more but still get drawn back to filehippo.

rogerman :)

chriswiles
27-06-2008, 10:49
I meant that if someone wants to find a download, a quick search will locate. That's how most commercial download sites work. Most of them (download.com, tucows.com) have so many downloads, you can't trawl through their categories searching for the app you want, you have to search.

FileHippo is one of the least updated downloads site on the market, which is why it's easy to find apps through categories. They only put up about 5 a day, max.

At vnunet.com you'll find a far wider selection of new and updated apps and I'm fairly proud of the type of apps we get online every day.

I don't think we could ever go down the FileHippo approach on vnunet.com, due to the number of apps we're putting online, but perhaps the redesigned Computeractive site could have an option where you can see new apps per category (av, anti-spyware etc). However, that's out of my hands.

Later this year you'll see a brand new Downloads site from us which is beyond the current vnunet.com/downloads experience. Remember I asked about beta-testing an application that complimented this new service?

Chris/vnunet.com

rogerman40
27-06-2008, 10:57
Chris,

It might seem like asking a silly question but why cannot CA`s download link direct people to vnunet`s download site when it is clicked on?
Why be independant of vnunet when basically you post the same downloads anyway but in a different way?

rogerman :)

dave.m
27-06-2008, 11:37
Chris,
I see the difference between CA and VNU downloads sections, VNU is much better but a lot of newbies who are on the site from reading CA will only be on the CA version and will not be linked to the VNU downloads.
What is very convenient about Filehippo is where we have a situation where someone has incorrectly removed an earlier version of a program and left a load of strings which are preventing a later version being installed, linking them to Hippo they can easily download the earlier version again.
eg. http://forums.vnunet.com/thread.jspa?threadID=137478&tstart=30
As CA and VNU always show the latest updated version of downloads, it would take a lot of digging to try to find an earlier version download.

dave

chriswiles
27-06-2008, 15:57
Rogerman, I have little to do with CA directly. The Computeractive 'latest downloads' are a combination of hand-selected vnunet.com downloads, plus a Computeractive-specific download, reviewed by Tim Smith.

Not sure of the plans for the re-designed CA website. It is happening though, as we speak. Paul Allen is the best person to talk about future website plans etc etc.

vnunet.com is a completely separate entity from CA and, as I mentioned above, will receive a massive downloads centric boost later in the year. I'll try and incorporate some FileHippo category-based previews in the new design. Try!

In fact, I'm working on that design next week.

Chris/vnunet.com

dave.m
27-06-2008, 16:26
Chris, Just on a point I raised about earlier versions, could it be possible in the alterations that are planned to leave a link to the last version as well as linking to the latest version. It could be of benefit to some as shown in the thread I linked to in my last post (above).
dave

chriswiles
27-06-2008, 20:13
Dave, yes, that's planned. Also, they will be downloadable from our servers, too.

Chris/vnunet.com

Tim Smith Computeractive
30-06-2008, 16:23
Hi Dave
I'm a little unclear as to what the problem is here, you searched for the download and it came up as the number 1 option. Surefly that's job done :-)
Granted you had to go through several pages on the Desktop Tools section but that's because they are ordered by the date they were posted. As far as I'm aware that's true of all download sites that categorise downloads. Why sift through a category when the search works? Or, to put it another way, what is it that the other sites do with their categories that we don't?
I don't see why the category list is a problem when sending people links as you've posted the link in your message. If you want a shorter link you can just type www.computeractive.co.uk/2146435. IMO that's even easier that something like tinyurl because it makes more sense to a human rather than a jumble of letters and numbers.
Kind regards
Tim

dave.m
30-06-2008, 19:06
>>I'm a little unclear as to what the problem is here, you searched for the download and it came up as the number 1 option. Surefly that's job done

Tim,
I would have thought that it was plain.
If someone asks for advice which involves (just say) a link to a Firewall, if I want to point them to Comodo I can click on Filehippo:
http://filehippo.com/
scroll down to the Firewall box and click on Comodo, AND I have the option of getting the earlier version.
TWO CLICKS.
Or click on VNU Downloads,
then either type in Comodo in the search box and wait for it to find it (just took 27 seconds) and I cannot link to an earlier version,
or scroll through the Download Categories to try and find Firewalls. I know it is listed as "Antivirus and Firewalls" but I was looking under "F" for firewalls. If it was all lumped under a heading of Security then that would be much better, but to index Firewalls under "A" is not, to my way of thinking, right.
Or click on CA Downloads

Lo and behold, CA Downloads is just as bad, regarding indexing.

Sorry Tim, but until the downloads are sorted better then I will have to keep using some other site to recommend a download, especially if an earlier version of the software is required.

My post in the Security Forums gives links to CA and other sites for all the major free security software, could some one use that as a guide to set up the Download Section in the website. All non-security stuff can be indexed as you like but get the important stuff indexed and listed correctly.
dave

rogerman40
30-06-2008, 20:28
Dave,

I agree entirely with what you say.

VNU downloads are far superior to CA`s in that a date is given by each and they do actually show the latest updates. However, earlier versions of a particular programme are not readily available as with filehippo.
As stated higher up, I do try to use VNU`s site but still get drawn back to filehippo for ease of use.

As a matter of interest I entered comodo in the search box of VNU`s Home page and comodo was found and appeared within 5 seconds on my laptop - and that on a dial-up connection too!
What are you playing at with your connection in that it took 27 seconds? Are you on broadband? I suspect not.

rogerman :)

dave.m
30-06-2008, 20:31
I am on BB. I think I must have primed their search engine before you and it had the answer ready. :^0
dave

Just searched for PC Tools Firewall, came back in about 5 seconds but it was the fifth one down the list, not the top one.

Message was edited by: dave.m

rogerman40
30-06-2008, 20:38
> I am on BB. I think I must have primed their search
> engine before you and it had the answer ready. :^0
> dave
>

I like it. Keep up the good work!

rogerman :) :)

chriswiles
30-06-2008, 22:22
> Lo and behold, CA Downloads is just as bad, regarding
> indexing.

Yes, vnunet.com and CA search differently. After the new vnunet.com went live in February, I asked the dev team to work on some better search options for the vnunet.com 'downloads', to make it more innovative. If you search for 'registry mechanic' it brings up Registry Mechanic as the first result. Also, it shows the download results only, when searching for a download on vnunet.com/downloads.

As I said above, I'm going to work hard on new plans for a brand new improved downloads section/site next week, when on holiday - best time to think about plans.

If you want to beta-test this - under NDA - let me know?

Chris/vnunet.com

chriswiles
30-06-2008, 22:26
BTW, I must point out that vnunet.com is new technology and a new CA website is forthcoming. Although I'm not involved with this site (design, development or testing), hopefully the guys can develop some new features to improve the download section on the new site.

I'm sure Paul and the team will listen to your ideas. It's your site!

Chris.

dave.m
30-06-2008, 22:29
Chris,
I have just knocked up a revised list and tried to get it near enough into alphabetical order. One or two are not VNU or CA because even searching I could not find them.
It will do as a quick reference for links to help people with problems in the forums.
dave


VNU & CA Security Downloads


Firewalls

Ashampoo Firewall (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2163203/ashampoo-firewall)

Comodo Firewall (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2154813/comodo-personal-firewall)

PC Tools Firewall (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2172416/pc-tools-firewall-plus)

Webroot Desktop Firewall (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2201211/webroot-desktop-firewall)

Zone Alarm (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2128997/zonealarm)


AntiSpyware

A Squared Free (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2194490/squared-free)

Ad-Aware 2008 (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2214510/ad-aware-2008)

AVG AntiSpyware (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2206945/avg-anti-spyware-free-edition)

Spybot Search & Destroy (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2128856/spybot-search-destroy)

Spyware Blaster (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2129037/spywareblaster)

Spyware Doctor 5.5 SE (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2213005/spyware-doctor-starter-edition)

Spyware Terminator (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2165712/spyware-terminator)

SuperAntiSpyware (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2160965/superantispyware)

Windows Defender (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx)


AntiVirus

REMEMBER to only have ONE Antivirus programme running at any time.
You can have more than one installed but only one running.

AOL Active Virus Shield (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2161910/aol-active-virus-shield)

Avira AntiVir PE (http://www.vnunet.com/computeractive/downloads/2166627/antivir-personaledition-classic)

AVG AntiVirus 8 (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2129071/avg-antivirus-free-edition)

Avast (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2128339/avast-home-edition)

BitDefender Free (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2197169/bitdefender-free)

Comodo AntiVirus BETA (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2160090/comodo-antivirus)

PC Tools AntiVirus (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/downloads/2148930/pc-tools-antivirus-01)

Spyware Doctor With Antivirus 5.5 SE (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2212453/spyware-doctor-antivirus?vnu_lt=ca_art_related_articles)



Cleaners

ATF Cleaner (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Security/Secure-cleaning/ATF-Cleaner.shtml)

Ccleaner (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2128975/ccleaner-14)

Eusing (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/vnunet/downloads/2158231/eusing-free-registry-cleaner)




Tools

CWShreader (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popup-Ad-Spyware-Blockers/CWShredder.shtml)

Smitfraud Fix (http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/files/smitfraudfix.php)

Vundo Fix (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/VundoFix.shtml)


These are only some of the FREE software to help protect you computer.
There is a lot more at the following download sites.
If you cannot get to any of the links then use
Computeractive Downloads HERE (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/downloads/antivirus-and-firewall)
Or VNU Downloads HERE (http://www.vnunet.com/downloads/antivirus-and-firewall)

dave.m
30-06-2008, 22:37
Chris,
I've posted the list in the Security Forum with instructions how to copy the links to posts.
Can you change the link in the Announcement at the top of the Security Forum to link to the new thread:
http://forums.vnunet.com/thread.jspa?threadID=138362&tstart=0
Cheers, dave

rogerman40
01-07-2008, 07:40
Dave,

A similar proviso like you have for Antivirus ought to be stated in the Firewall section too. This would need to clarify about having both a hard wired and software one for BB connections, (depending on mode of connection), but only one Firewall for dial-up connections.
Many may forget about Windows Firewall possibly running too when another is installed.

rogerman :)

dave.m
01-07-2008, 10:01
Thanks for the reminder, Roger.
Now added.
dave

chriswiles
01-07-2008, 11:50
Done. No idea why the other announcement was removed though!

Chris/vnunet.com

Tim Smith Computeractive
01-07-2008, 15:35
Right I understand what you mean now
I'm looking into why Comodo isn't listed in the Antivirus and Firewalls category and will see what can be done.
Likewise, I like the idea of having short lists of top apps in a particular category and will see if this is possible. Please bear in mind it may take a little while to sort out because if we do it, I would want it to be based on proper testing rather than an arbitary choice.
>if I want to point them to Comodo
Why not just give them the direct link? I still think you are undervaluing the search on the CA site.
Kind regards
Tim